OLD DUTCH LAWSUIT
1956 lawsuit brought by Cliff Stiles against the tenant of the Old Dutch, H.H. Lambert of Auburn. The defendent, Lambert, claimed Stiles refused to fix the roof around the chimney after a September, 1953
storm.
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Subject:
Re C.F. Stiles or Betty Koehler
To:
robertoreg2003@yahoo.com
When I played there in the summer of '64, "Old Man" Stiles was the owner of the Old Dutch and lived in B'ham. He would come down once in a while but I never got to know him very well. Betty supervised the bartenders and barmaids and was pretty much "all business"; but, a really nice lady once you got to know her. I seem to recall that her husband was an avid scuba diver, perhaps he even did this for a living?[THE NAVY LAB WHICH HAS ALWAYS EMPLOYED DIVERS IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF HATHAWAY BRIDGE WHEN YOU COME INTO PCB: ed]
In 64, the club was actually run by a man with the last name of Trammel(sp). Trammel was okay, but had a bad habit of playing some pretty harsh practical jokes. For example, the butt of one of his jokes was a drummer from Dothan named Bruce White. I got to know Bruce through Wilbur Walton, Jr. when the two of them would come down to our gigs at the Dutch.
At that time at the Old Dutch, we were playing seven nights a week from 9 to 2, and two jam sessions on weekends. Trust me when I say that with this many hours on the stage we would welcome anyone to sit in. But, of course it was always a real treat to hear Wilbur sing, and Bruce was really an excellent drummer - very showey and had an strong, quick left hand.
Anyway, for those of you who remember Bruce, may recall that he was always after the young ladies. And, he also never seem to check I.D.'s although it may have been prudent to do so with the case of some of them?
Well, Trammel apparently had heard of this rumor during the time Wilbur and Bruce were playing the Dutch the year before us. Deviously, he arranged for a pal of his who was with state police or the sheriff's dept to show up at the band's door below the Old Dutch (Note - there was an apartment which was always provided for the bands since the pay was never that great).
The cop handed Bruce a fake warrant for his arrest, supposedly taken out by some girl's father, and put him in the backseat of the police car. Then, he actually drove Bruce from the Dutch all the way to the Hathaway bridge going into PC. There he turned around, came back to the Old Dutch, and dropped him off in the parking lot where Trammel had the whole place waiting outside and laughing. Did anyone really deserve a joke like this? Well, probably Bruce did.
But, did it teach him a lesson?
Now asking that question -- That's a real joke.
From:
"Ben Burford"
To:
"robert register"
Subject:
Cliff Stiles
Cliff Stiles.
He used to own the Old Dutch, of course, and several other properties
down in P.C.
My father, Frank Burford, used to do architecture work for him, and had
done a renovation to the Old Dutch at one time, and to a buffet diner
he
owned (can't remember the name).
He had a big black mynah bird that stayed in the foyer of the
restaurant, and he would entertain the customers when they came in. His
famous line was "Birds can't talk."
Har har!
BENJI [alleged brother of the Brenda Burford] http://chevy6.com/
REMEMBERING EDDIE HINTON & THE SPOOKS by John Curry
reprinted with permission from Old Tuscaloosa Magazine #31 [1997]
In the Spring of ' 65 an opportunity developed for the band that changed us and Eddie forever. There was a club down on Panama City Beach called the Old Dutch Inn. It was the college hangout. All the hot local bands and a lot of regional and national bands wound up being featured there from time-to-time. We were rehearsing one day when Eddie showed up, all excited. He said,"Aw, man, this is it! They want us to be the house band for the summer. They're going to pay us one hundred dollars each per week and give us free food and lodging! This is our break, guys! We're fixin' to bust out of here!"
Well, Chiz had just graduated and was also married and had a son. He had to do a tour in the army and was to report to Ft. Jackson as a second Lieutenant in August, having been in the ROTC. Viet Nam was also heating up. As for me, I had graduated in ' 63, gotten married, became a father, and we had just opened Curry furniture store that spring. We couldn't take the job no matter what.
Eddie was real disappointed and he said, "Well you just can't do this to me. I'm going to go down there and figure out something. I'll be back in the Fall." Fall was our "season". We played fraternity parties and clubs and we had booked a great number of jobs already for the coming season.
Well, Eddie went down to Panama City Beach and put together a band and took the job at The Old Dutch Inn. He called the group the Five Minutes. He never came back to the Spooks. Our band went through it biggest transition. David Reynolds moved to lead guitar, Mike Spiller was added as singer-keyboard player and Gene Haynes played bass. Later we added Jimmy Butts as vocalist and horn player Fred DeLoach.
FROM THE WEBSITE OF ZANE RECORDS WHICH SELLS EDDIE'S MUSIC:'The Spooks' band existed in Tuscaloosa around 1961, and according to member and fellow AU student John Curry was " A simple little group that played a few old John Hooker tunes,The Ventures, Buddy Holly and others. We went through several evolutionary changes as most bands do, but we really needed a vocalist."
'The Spooks' had got word that Eddie Hinton was pretty good, Eddie told 'The Spooks' they were all crazy, he didn't sing and they didn't need him. Somehow they persuaded Eddie that they didn't mind if he learned on the job, which the shy seventeen year old did, and eventually taking up guitar and harp to make 'The Spooks' one of the most sought after fraternity bands of the area. During the Spring of '65 Eddie informed the band that the 'The Old Dutch Inn' a club and college hang out on Panama City Beach wanted the Spooks to be the house band for the summer season. Some of the members had other commitments that summer and could not go, so Eddie went alone and joined the band the 5 Men-its, which went through several line ups, but after one member left became 'The Minutes'. Members of the 'Minutes' included Johnny Sandlin - Drums, Mabron McKinny - Base and Paul Hornsby on keyboard.
http://www.zanerecords.com/artists/hinton/biog2.html
Now Pensacola's Papa Don Tells How THE 5 MEN-ITS & The Old Dutch fit into THE STORY OF HOW JAMES & BOBBY PURIFY[formerly known asTHE DOTHAN SEXTET] CAME TO RECORD wwwwwwwwwwwyker's "Let Love Come Between Us":
CLICK ON THE LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST TO READ MORE FROM PAPA DON
How did you find "Let Love Come Between Us"?
A guy named Fred Stiles played in a band called the Five Minutes. The Five Minutes, out of Muscle Shoals. They were a great little band. And I had Papa Don Surf Stomps every weekend. I had them on Friday and Saturday nights, and Sunday afternoon. I rented this big huge place, a casino, right on the Pensacola beach. And I had Papa Don Surf Stomps. I mean, everybody from the Allman Joys (later know as the Allman Brothers) to the Five Minutes, Dan Penn & the Pallbearers, they all came down and played for me. And Fred Stiles and I got to be good friendsnice guy.
Fred Stiles brought me this song. He said, Man, I found you a hit! I think a friend of his wrote it, and Al Gallico published it.
I always wanted to cut a song for Al Gallicos publishing company. I just loved him. He was a great publisher out of New York. And Gallico did his little number as a publisher, and really helped promote it too.
I was cutting a beach song. I was cutting a Papa Don Surf Stomp song. A real good beach hit. Its one of my favorite records that I cut on the Purifys.http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:7OyFcOvFH4wJ:www.sundazed.com/scene/exclusives/papa_don_exclusive.html+casino+pensacola+beach+papa+don&hl=en
& ONE LAST TALE FROM THE OLD DUTCH WHERE THE ROCKIN' GIBRALTARS' RUSTY CRUMPTON TELLS US HOW HE MET THE LATE RANDY LEWIS, THE LEGENDARY BASS PLAYER FOR MOSE JONES:
Haven't been to PC in a while, but the Summer of '65, I just graduated Lee HS in Mungumry & woke up the next day on the beech behind the Old Dutch. I heard some music, I think it was mid-day...& I peeped in (didn't have my fake ID) & saw a one-armed guy playing bass. A year or so later, I was playing with the Gibraltars in a sunday jam & the one armed guy came in & started jamming with us. He was good. I wish I could remember his name.
storm.
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Subject:
Re C.F. Stiles or Betty Koehler
To:
robertoreg2003@yahoo.com
When I played there in the summer of '64, "Old Man" Stiles was the owner of the Old Dutch and lived in B'ham. He would come down once in a while but I never got to know him very well. Betty supervised the bartenders and barmaids and was pretty much "all business"; but, a really nice lady once you got to know her. I seem to recall that her husband was an avid scuba diver, perhaps he even did this for a living?[THE NAVY LAB WHICH HAS ALWAYS EMPLOYED DIVERS IS LOCATED JUST WEST OF HATHAWAY BRIDGE WHEN YOU COME INTO PCB: ed]
In 64, the club was actually run by a man with the last name of Trammel(sp). Trammel was okay, but had a bad habit of playing some pretty harsh practical jokes. For example, the butt of one of his jokes was a drummer from Dothan named Bruce White. I got to know Bruce through Wilbur Walton, Jr. when the two of them would come down to our gigs at the Dutch.
At that time at the Old Dutch, we were playing seven nights a week from 9 to 2, and two jam sessions on weekends. Trust me when I say that with this many hours on the stage we would welcome anyone to sit in. But, of course it was always a real treat to hear Wilbur sing, and Bruce was really an excellent drummer - very showey and had an strong, quick left hand.
Anyway, for those of you who remember Bruce, may recall that he was always after the young ladies. And, he also never seem to check I.D.'s although it may have been prudent to do so with the case of some of them?
Well, Trammel apparently had heard of this rumor during the time Wilbur and Bruce were playing the Dutch the year before us. Deviously, he arranged for a pal of his who was with state police or the sheriff's dept to show up at the band's door below the Old Dutch (Note - there was an apartment which was always provided for the bands since the pay was never that great).
The cop handed Bruce a fake warrant for his arrest, supposedly taken out by some girl's father, and put him in the backseat of the police car. Then, he actually drove Bruce from the Dutch all the way to the Hathaway bridge going into PC. There he turned around, came back to the Old Dutch, and dropped him off in the parking lot where Trammel had the whole place waiting outside and laughing. Did anyone really deserve a joke like this? Well, probably Bruce did.
But, did it teach him a lesson?
Now asking that question -- That's a real joke.
From:
"Ben Burford"
To:
"robert register"
Subject:
Cliff Stiles
Cliff Stiles.
He used to own the Old Dutch, of course, and several other properties
down in P.C.
My father, Frank Burford, used to do architecture work for him, and had
done a renovation to the Old Dutch at one time, and to a buffet diner
he
owned (can't remember the name).
He had a big black mynah bird that stayed in the foyer of the
restaurant, and he would entertain the customers when they came in. His
famous line was "Birds can't talk."
Har har!
BENJI [alleged brother of the Brenda Burford] http://chevy6.com/
REMEMBERING EDDIE HINTON & THE SPOOKS by John Curry
reprinted with permission from Old Tuscaloosa Magazine #31 [1997]
In the Spring of ' 65 an opportunity developed for the band that changed us and Eddie forever. There was a club down on Panama City Beach called the Old Dutch Inn. It was the college hangout. All the hot local bands and a lot of regional and national bands wound up being featured there from time-to-time. We were rehearsing one day when Eddie showed up, all excited. He said,"Aw, man, this is it! They want us to be the house band for the summer. They're going to pay us one hundred dollars each per week and give us free food and lodging! This is our break, guys! We're fixin' to bust out of here!"
Well, Chiz had just graduated and was also married and had a son. He had to do a tour in the army and was to report to Ft. Jackson as a second Lieutenant in August, having been in the ROTC. Viet Nam was also heating up. As for me, I had graduated in ' 63, gotten married, became a father, and we had just opened Curry furniture store that spring. We couldn't take the job no matter what.
Eddie was real disappointed and he said, "Well you just can't do this to me. I'm going to go down there and figure out something. I'll be back in the Fall." Fall was our "season". We played fraternity parties and clubs and we had booked a great number of jobs already for the coming season.
Well, Eddie went down to Panama City Beach and put together a band and took the job at The Old Dutch Inn. He called the group the Five Minutes. He never came back to the Spooks. Our band went through it biggest transition. David Reynolds moved to lead guitar, Mike Spiller was added as singer-keyboard player and Gene Haynes played bass. Later we added Jimmy Butts as vocalist and horn player Fred DeLoach.
FROM THE WEBSITE OF ZANE RECORDS WHICH SELLS EDDIE'S MUSIC:'The Spooks' band existed in Tuscaloosa around 1961, and according to member and fellow AU student John Curry was " A simple little group that played a few old John Hooker tunes,The Ventures, Buddy Holly and others. We went through several evolutionary changes as most bands do, but we really needed a vocalist."
'The Spooks' had got word that Eddie Hinton was pretty good, Eddie told 'The Spooks' they were all crazy, he didn't sing and they didn't need him. Somehow they persuaded Eddie that they didn't mind if he learned on the job, which the shy seventeen year old did, and eventually taking up guitar and harp to make 'The Spooks' one of the most sought after fraternity bands of the area. During the Spring of '65 Eddie informed the band that the 'The Old Dutch Inn' a club and college hang out on Panama City Beach wanted the Spooks to be the house band for the summer season. Some of the members had other commitments that summer and could not go, so Eddie went alone and joined the band the 5 Men-its, which went through several line ups, but after one member left became 'The Minutes'. Members of the 'Minutes' included Johnny Sandlin - Drums, Mabron McKinny - Base and Paul Hornsby on keyboard.
http://www.zanerecords.com/artists/hinton/biog2.html
Now Pensacola's Papa Don Tells How THE 5 MEN-ITS & The Old Dutch fit into THE STORY OF HOW JAMES & BOBBY PURIFY[formerly known asTHE DOTHAN SEXTET] CAME TO RECORD wwwwwwwwwwwyker's "Let Love Come Between Us":
CLICK ON THE LINK AT THE BOTTOM OF THIS POST TO READ MORE FROM PAPA DON
How did you find "Let Love Come Between Us"?
A guy named Fred Stiles played in a band called the Five Minutes. The Five Minutes, out of Muscle Shoals. They were a great little band. And I had Papa Don Surf Stomps every weekend. I had them on Friday and Saturday nights, and Sunday afternoon. I rented this big huge place, a casino, right on the Pensacola beach. And I had Papa Don Surf Stomps. I mean, everybody from the Allman Joys (later know as the Allman Brothers) to the Five Minutes, Dan Penn & the Pallbearers, they all came down and played for me. And Fred Stiles and I got to be good friendsnice guy.
Fred Stiles brought me this song. He said, Man, I found you a hit! I think a friend of his wrote it, and Al Gallico published it.
I always wanted to cut a song for Al Gallicos publishing company. I just loved him. He was a great publisher out of New York. And Gallico did his little number as a publisher, and really helped promote it too.
I was cutting a beach song. I was cutting a Papa Don Surf Stomp song. A real good beach hit. Its one of my favorite records that I cut on the Purifys.http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:7OyFcOvFH4wJ:www.sundazed.com/scene/exclusives/papa_don_exclusive.html+casino+pensacola+beach+papa+don&hl=en
& ONE LAST TALE FROM THE OLD DUTCH WHERE THE ROCKIN' GIBRALTARS' RUSTY CRUMPTON TELLS US HOW HE MET THE LATE RANDY LEWIS, THE LEGENDARY BASS PLAYER FOR MOSE JONES:
Haven't been to PC in a while, but the Summer of '65, I just graduated Lee HS in Mungumry & woke up the next day on the beech behind the Old Dutch. I heard some music, I think it was mid-day...& I peeped in (didn't have my fake ID) & saw a one-armed guy playing bass. A year or so later, I was playing with the Gibraltars in a sunday jam & the one armed guy came in & started jamming with us. He was good. I wish I could remember his name.
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